Player-Staff meeting

16-SEP-98


Note from the editor

Most of the spam was filtered from this log automatically. My apologies for the emotions of a certain immortal starting with 'The...' -my filter considered him mortal and happily applied the 'spam-be-gone' to a few of his less memorable actions. Err, did I actually say that?

Another thing - I fixed a few of the obvious typos with the filter, and manually joined some of the spoken lines into paragraphs for legibility.
If anyone would rather have his unaltered lines in the html version of the log, please let me know.

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Rules of the meeting

The following is a list of rules for the Player-Staff meeting that I will be conducting on Wednesday, September 16th:
  1. Maintain a level of civility. We do not need a bunch of name-calling, excessive bitching for no other purpose than to bitch, etc. Be civil if you wish to speak.
  2. One person will speak at a time. There will be an object to pass around which will determine who's turn it is to speak. If you have the object, it is your turn.
  3. If you wish to speak, you must wish to the immortal in charge of the speaking queue, which will be announced at the beginning of the meeting.
    They will then collect the object from the former speaker, and pass it to the next person in the queue.
  4. Emotes are outlawed at the meeting. We do not need the spam from 40+ people nodding, smiling, frowning, etc.
  5. There will be no need to eat/drink while at the meeting. I will suspend the necessity to do such while in attendance. I rock.
  6. Any questions/problems with the format, at any time, should be taken up with me privately, and not at the meeting.
  7. The meeting shall begin at 7:00pm CST, and conclude 2 hours later, at 9:00pm CST. We will begin relocating people to the meeting room approximately 5 minutes prior to the meeting. Those wishing to attend should do a wish all asking to be taken to the meeting room. At 9:00pm CST the meeting will promptly end. All participants will be shown the exits and expected to leave.
  8. The enforcement of the rules will be at the staffs discretion, and any violation of such will be left to them. This will usually result in immediate removal from the meeting.
If everyone plays nicely, we should have a productive, efficient meeting(yeah, it would be a first). If there are questions on this, feel free to drop me mail.

The meeting

SYSTEM: Wish up if you want relocated to the meeting

Sanvean has transferred you!

The Cave of the Wanderer [NS]
This cave is small, enclosed on three sides by solid obsidian as if one of Zalanthas's volcanic eruptions created it, and is littered with desert sand that has blown in through it's one opening. The walls appear quite weather worn, given the entire cave a look of antiquity.
In the center of the cave is a small circle of stones, with several black scorch marks in the middle.
Sanvean is standing here.

Someone says, out of character:
"If you would like a mask to conceal your identity while at the meeting from other placyers, wish to Zagren"

The skinny, elderly man says, out of character:
"hes invis, i cant wish to him"

Someone says, out of character:
"Give him a sec"
Azroen slowly fades into existence.

Sanvean says to someone, in an unfamiliar tongue.
"uarny a oipj"
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards slowly fades into existence.

Azroen says, out of character:
"Ok, now wish to him"
Azroen snickers.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards thanks Azroen.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards gets a mask of a helpful templar from a small bag.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards gets a mask of a social half-elf from a small bag.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards gets a mask of a Shameless Powergamer from a small bag.
Someone slowly fades into existence.
Azroen chuckles.

Azroen says to Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards, in an unfamiliar tongue.
"Noha koij yk zzu jaqqj"

SYSTEM: Okay, wish again if you need transfering.

Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards gets a psychedelic centipede mask from a small bag.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards gets a nasty looking cockroach mask from a small bag.
Sanvean grins at Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards snickers.
The skinny, elderly man chuckles.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards gets a stupid looking fly mask from a small bag.
Someone calls forth something from the plane of Elemental Wind.

Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards says, out of character:
"wish to me for a mask"
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards gets a cheap, black Darth Vader mask from a small bag.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards gets a badly made Obi Wan Kenobi mask from a small bag.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards gets a halfgiant librarian mask from a small bag.

The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask says, out of character:
"ok, who was drunk when you made these masks?"
Someone slowly fades into existence.
Azroen raises his hand.

Azroen says, out of character:
"But I didnt make 'em.."
The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask snickers.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards stares at the sky.

The Cave of the Wanderer [NS]
This cave is small, enclosed on three sides by solid obsidian as if one of Zalanthas's volcanic eruptions created it, and is littered with desert sand that has blown in through it's one opening. The walls appear quite weather worn, given the entire cave a look of antiquity.
In the center of the cave is a small circle of stones, with several black scorch marks in the middle.
Azroen is standing here.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards is standing here.
Sanvean is standing here.
A pile of dead bodies falls in from above announcing Halaster's arrival.
Someone chuckles.

The scraggly man says, out of character:
"don't mind me, just adding to the imm desc collection ;)"
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards gets a mask of Thrain Ironsword from a small bag.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards gets an evil looking mantis mask from a small bag.
"hmmm?"

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"I want a Thrain mask, damnit!"
Vardag, Diabolus Master slowly fades into existence.

SYSTEM: make sure you've all read help rules

SYSTEM: breaking any of the rules will get you removed from the meeting quite quickly

Someone slowly fades into existence.

Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards says, out of character:
"so, yes. that means stop looking at each other :)"

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"Can I kill whoever breaks a rule?"
A dark, swirling vortex opens as Naar, the God of Chaos, emerges from its inner reaches.
Sanvean nods to Halaster the Shroud of Death.
Halaster the Shroud of Death thanks Sanvean.
Azroen nods to Halaster the Shroud of Death.
The Shade of Nessalin forms out of a sudden cloud of dust.

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"God damnit, did anyone use my masks?"
Azroen nods to the Shade of Nessalin.
Azroen sends a bolt of red flame at Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards, turning him into dust.
You freeze as you hear Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards's death cry.
Vardag, Diabolus Master cackles.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards appears in a swirling cloud of red dust.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards hungrily devours the body of Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards.

Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards says, out of character:
"doh"
A rotting wind leaves Blaylock in your path.
The Shade of Nessalin nods to Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak.

Azroen says, out of character:
"Alrighty, I'm going to commence this here meeting"
Brazen, Queen of the Damned stops using a braided steel whip.
Brazen, Queen of the Damned brandishes a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer'.

Azroen says, out of character:
"I'll being by stating that Brazen is the Designated speaker queuer If you wish to speak, wish to her. She will be passing around my blade. If someone talks out of turn, it is the responsibility of the person holding my sword to slay that person"
Azroen wiggles his eyebrows.
Brazen, Queen of the Damned stops using a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer'.
Halaster the Shroud of Death gives a braided steel whip to Brazen, Queen of the Damned.

Azroen says, out of character:
"At the meeting, you're allowed to ask us anything your little hearts desire"
Brazen, Queen of the Damned brandishes a braided steel whip.
Sanvean raises an eyebrow slightly at Azroen.

Azroen says, out of character:
"Simply remember that we can also choose to not answer, if we deem it something we don't want to"
Azroen lowers Sanvean's eyebrow.
Sanvean nods to Azroen.

Azroen says, out of character:
"I will emphasize again, if you havent, to read Help Rules"
please don't look at each other, it makes spam.

Azroen says, out of character:
"I mainly expect this to be about roleplaying issues, the karma system, and social roles. If you have other questions, they can be covered as well though."

Azroen says, out of character:
"So, without further adieu.. Brazen, who is lucky contestant #1?"
Brazen, Queen of the man wearing a stupid looking fly mask.

-=(First try - too long lines get truncated... )=-

The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask says, out of character:
"it got truncated"

The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask says, out of character:
"ill try this again, grumble...."

Azroen says, out of character:
"Try to shorten it up a bit, preferably a line per say"

Azroen says, out of character:
"since some may not have wrap"

-=( Note from the editor: Rejoined these lines for legibility of the log)=-

Azroen nods to the man wearing a stupid looking fly mask.

Azroen says to the man wearing a stupid looking fly mask, in an unfamiliar tongue.
"yjy oeeruuep yq o mica, rii ryjap.."

The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask says, out of character:
"I think that sdesc's of people should only include the most noticable part of that person. I am seeing far too many people with the color of their eyes or some other minor detail as their sdesc. I feel akward asking IC who or where that person is by using the color of their eyes (because i didnt look at them to see other features in their desc) that leads me to another thing i would like to mention, lots of people look at every PC they see when they enter a room. How often irl do you walk into a bar and get a good close look at everyone around? Look should be used when your char would actually want to get a good look at ooc that person, rather than to just get a look at their ldescs and eq. there"

The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask says, out of character:
"thats all"

Azroen says, out of character:
"One question at a time.."
Azroen winks.

Azroen says, out of character:
"On the sdesc issue, here is how I see it:"

Azroen says, out of character:
"Sdesc is a noticeable feature, not exactly a main part of the body. Mine, for instance, is my emerald eyes. It isn't extremelly common, and they seem to jump out."

The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask says, out of character:
"but i rarely notice the color of someones eyes before i see the color of their hair, or how big they are, etc but as you wish, just thought i should bring it up :)"

Azroen says, out of character:
"True, and every one notices different things. But you only have one sdesc, so you decide which feature you prefer. Personally I notice how many beers someone has in their hands first. But, each their own."

Azroen says, out of character:
"Second question again?"

Azroen says, out of character:
"Oh, hold on that"

The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask says, out of character:
"ok..."

The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask says, out of character:
"i have it all typed out on zmud editor, so i can recall it at will :)"
Azroen nods to the Shade of Nessalin.

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"As was also brought up by someone in another window, it is completely within the power of your imagination to roleplay around what the game tells you if you find it annoying."

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"Although, I'll grant it's possible that I'm assuming things about your ability to pretend that don't exist. if you think you shouldn't be able to tell the color of someone's eyes, ignore it. The game is full of 'wrong' stuff like that."

The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask says, out of character:
"nods, but it does get irritating trying to describe someone by the color of their rather generic eyes :)"

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"Then look at them and pick another feature to describe them by."

The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask says, out of character:
"considering i, unlike most players dont type look «every persons name in the room»"

The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask says, out of character:
"but thats part of my second question/comment :)"

Azroen says, out of character:
"When you see someone for the first time, it isn't bad to look at them"

Azroen says, out of character:
"I always look at the girl that walks in the bar that I havent met"

Azroen says, out of character:
"Next question?"
Brazen, Queen of the man wearing a stupid looking fly mask.

The man wearing a stupid looking fly mask says, out of character:
"that leads me to another thing i would like to mention, lots of people look at every PC they see when they enter a room. How often irl do you walk into a bar and get a good close look at everyone around? Look should be used when your char would actually want to get a good look at that person, rather than to just get a look at their ldescs and eq."

Azroen says, out of character:
"I think I answered that pretty well a few seconds ago"
Azroen snickers.
Azroen nods to Brazen, Queen of the Damned.
Brazen, Queen of the woman wearing a mask of a Shameless Powergamer.

The woman wearing a mask of a Shameless Powergamer says, out of character:
"An issue I'd like to bring up is that of slavery. People don't seem to want to adapt to the environment. We have half the playerbase wanting to free PC slaves, for no reason other than they are PCs. Shouldn't more people realize that slavery is largely accepted and practiced? It's the fundamental labor source of the city, yes?"

The woman wearing a mask of a Shameless Powergamer says, out of character:
"That's all I have to complain about."

Sanvean says, out of character:
"I agree with that, actually. Slavery is one of the fine institituion upon which Allanak is built"

The woman wearing a mask of a Shameless Powergamer says, out of character:
"May I make another point?"

Sanvean says, out of character:
"But spelled right. Anyway, that's a good point, and... sure, g'head."

The woman wearing a mask of a Shameless Powergamer says, out of character:
"Well, people assume that when they so heroically "free the slaves" that the slave will prosper and live a happy life, however --
Most slaves have spent most of, if not all of, their lives as such, and will most likely perish when having to survive on their own. Dismissing gladiator slaves, of course."
Sanvean nods to the woman wearing a mask of a Shameless Powergamer.

The woman wearing a mask of a Shameless Powergamer says, out of character:
"And I guess that's my biggest bitch."

Sanvean says, out of character:
"Also a good point. Would a helpfile help clear this up, and direct play better, you think?"

The woman wearing a mask of a Shameless Powergamer says, out of character:
"I think so, and to mention it in the motd. People keep trying to start conversations with a slave PC... which is very unusual."

Azroen says, out of character:
"Sounds good enough."

Azroen says, out of character:
"Pass the sword back to Brazen, 'less you have another comment on the subject"

Brazen, Queen of the Damned says, out of character:
"Remember that you can also bring issues like this up on the general discussion board on the website."
Brazen, Queen of the woman wearing the mask of the trusting elf.

The woman wearing the mask of the trusting elf says, out of character:
"Alright, my question:"

The woman wearing the mask of the trusting elf says, out of character:
"How do the immortals feel about character concepts that are out of the starting age specified within the character generation screen."

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"As with all character concepts outside of what the code allows you to create, get prior approval."

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"next Question?"
Brazen, Queen of the woman wearing the mask of the trusting elf for the sword.

The woman wearing the mask of the trusting elf says, out of character:
"that is pretty much it for me, is there anyway to change the age after the creation was done?"

Azroen says, out of character:
"No, there isnt"
The woman wearing the mask of the trusting elf, in sirihish:
"no"
Halaster the man wearing a stupid looking fly mask.
Brazen, Queen of the man wearing a cheap, black Darth Vader mask.
Someone slowly fades into existence.

The man wearing a cheap, black Darth Vader mask says, out of character:
"How are we supposed to describe people whose sdescs we only got to see?"

The man wearing a cheap, black Darth Vader mask says, out of character:
"i.e. when "the brown haired elf stole from you" is it truly bad policy to describe the elf with brown hair when looking for a criminal? These people almost seem to macro out a steal run e"

Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak says, out of character:
"That's pretty straightforward. Didn't get a good look at him?"

The man wearing a cheap, black Darth Vader mask says, out of character:
"for how quick they do things sometimes, and the NPCs seem awful good at getting it right."

Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak says, out of character:
"Well, then you know what you know. He was an elf. He had brown hair. He was probably very fast, since you didn't get a good look at him."

The man wearing a cheap, black Darth Vader mask says, out of character:
"A lot of people are suggesting that's somehow a bad thing to describe an elf with brown hair stole from you."
Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak shrugs his shoulders.

Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak says, out of character:
"He was an elf. I didn't get a good look at him. He was fast, but he did have brown hair. Where the fuck's the confusion here?"

Azroen says, out of character:
"I concur with this."

Azroen says, out of character:
"Pretend its real life, and some blond chick with big tracts of land stole a beer from you"

Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak says, out of character:
"Saying «sdesc» «did mean thing» to me is Very Bad Form."

Azroen says, out of character:
"You didnt get a good look at her, you were concentrating on other things"

Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak says, out of character:
"Desribing a char to the best of your ability is not."

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"Clearly asking people to be creative or use their imagination is asking too much. I guess we'll have to code it or be riduculed as lazy and spending too much time on our 'pet' players to do anything for regular people."

Azroen says, out of character:
"So you tell the police what you remember: she was female, had big tracts of land, and other than that, you dont know"

The violet-eyed man says, out of character:
"sorry to inturupt but im a beginner to these meetings and I really have to go and for the life of me I can't figgure out how. Could somboady help me please"
Azroen nods.
Azroen disintegrates the violet-eyed man.

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"Next question."
Brazen, Queen of the man wearing an evil looking mantis mask.

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"I have a few questions and maybe a comment on an earlier question"

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"are the gith, mantis and halfling cultures available?"

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"Just curious :)"

Sanvean says, out of character:
"If you have sufficient karma, yes."

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"ok."

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"Any plans to get that juicy arena code up?"

Azroen says, out of character:
"Which arena code?"

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"I don't know. The rumored arena code"

Sanvean says, out of character:
"Yup."

Azroen says, out of character:
"It's in, I believe"
Azroen stares at the sky, lost in thought.

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"On the look issue: What if a person is armed/bleeding?"

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"this is just a comment"

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"I've been in that situation dozens of times."

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"I'd like a way to see armed folks stand out... if people really don't want you 'look'ing at everyone"

Azroen says, out of character:
"Huh? I guess I dont understand the question"

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"to the comment regarding 'dont look at everyone when you walk in'"

Azroen says, out of character:
"If someone still has their arms, but is bleeding? As opposed to a paraplegic?"
The handicapped man coughs.

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"I mean... what if you enter a room, and someone is armed... good to know, yes? with a weapon"

Azroen says, out of character:
"Hmm. I actually think you raise a good point"

Azroen says, out of character:
"Only problem I can forsee though, Is the fact of an 80-character line."

Azroen says, out of character:
"But, I think that can be worked around. I like that idea"

The man wearing an evil looking mantis mask says, out of character:
"that's all"

Azroen says to Brazen, Queen of the Damned, in an unfamiliar tongue.
"Naiq habiebsyvr houeju"
Brazen, Queen of the man wearing a mask of a helpful templar.

Sanvean says, out of character:
"hey"

Sanvean says, out of character:
"Ne'er mind, carry on."
Azroen nods to the man wearing a mask of a helpful templar.

The Cave of the Wanderer
This cave is small, enclosed on three sides by solid obsidian as if one of Zalanthas's volcanic eruptions created it, and is littered with desert sand that has blown in through it's one opening. The walls appear quite weather worn, given the entire cave a look of antiquity.
In the center of the cave is a small circle of stones, with several black scorch marks in the middle.
Halaster the Shroud of Death is standing here.
Zakalwe is flying here.
Gleden, the Lord of the Skies is standing here.
Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak is standing here.
Azroen is standing here.
Zagren, Lord of Thieving, Lying, Elven Bastards is standing here, looking near-death.
Naar, the God of Chaos is standing here, looking near-death.
Brazen, Queen of the Damned is standing here.
Becklee is standing here.
Vardag, Diabolus Master is flying here.
Sanvean is standing here.

Azroen says, out of character:
"Whoever has my sword, please ask your question"
Brazen, Queen of the man wearing a mask of a helpful templar in the ribs.

The slender woman says, out of character:
"Excuse me but I think he dropped link a bit ago."

Naar, the God of Chaos says, out of character:
"Link dead."
Azroen smirks.
Brazen, Queen of the Damned gives a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer' to Sanvean.

Sanvean says, out of character:
"Aha. Okay, someone asked me to go into a brief song and dance about the nobility."

Sanvean says, out of character:
"There's been a problem in the past with nobles going 'Cool, I can attack someone without getting crim-flagged' and going nuts.
At any rate, nobles don't do that. They'd call a templar, hire an assassin, whatever... which brings me to a larger point...
Just because the code allows you to do something, doesn't mean you should do it, obviously."

Sanvean says, out of character:
"Case in point:"

Sanvean says, out of character:
"Nobles forcing people to bow to them in the tavern....
Well, you're not doing that to everyone, you're just doing it to the PCs. I'm getting sidetracked here, unfortunately. Just don't go nutso with special stuff if your clan has it. It's there because we trust you not to go nuts with it, basically. Okay?"

Sanvean says, out of character:
"The next mortal to emote, sit or look is going to be a sad mortal."
Halaster the Shroud of Death will kill them!
The man wearing some tinfoil swings his trow slapping arm.

Sanvean says, out of character:
"Next question?"

The man wearing the plaid inix mask says, out of character:
"I was wondering, how do you get karma?"

Brazen, Queen of the Damned says, out of character:
"Wait"

Azroen asks the man wearing the plaid inix mask, in an unfamiliar tongue.
"oa uua qypa ia qieoi?"
Azroen waits for an answer.

Brazen, Queen of the Damned says, out of character:
"for those of you who just popped in if you have a question wish to me and i'll put you on the list."
Brazen, Queen of the man wearing the mask of a gregarious mul.

Azroen says, out of character:
"You have my sword, inix mask?"

Azroen says, out of character:
"Oh, guess not"
Azroen sends a bolt of red flame at the man wearing the plaid inix mask, turning him into dust.
You freeze as you hear the man wearing the plaid inix mask's death cry.

The man wearing the mask of a gregarious mul says, out of character:
"sorry."
Halaster the Shroud of Death snorts.

The man wearing the mask of a gregarious mul says, out of character:
"I wanna see more realistic reactions from PCs rather than just PCs reacting blindly to their environment in the typical mud fashion. I don't want to detail this for fear of introducing IC info into this forum, but I've helped introduce situations in the game that are quite simply ignored by some PCs, or reacted to in completely unrealistic ways simply because the player was trying to keep his/her PC from harm."

The man wearing the mask of a gregarious mul says, out of character:
"I want to see more player presence as parts of the envrionment of the world rather than the player base relying on imms to come up with reasons for PCs to exist."

The man wearing the mask of a gregarious mul says, out of character:
"I'm hoping that PCs will react ooc in ways that make sense, even though it may not be in the best ooc interest of their PC. That is all....thanks."

Azroen says, out of character:
"Uhh.. I guess that is more of a statement than a discussionary question"

Sanvean says, out of character:
"I think we'd all be delighted and pleased by that."
Azroen nods.

Azroen says, out of character:
"indeed we would"

The man wearing the mask of a gregarious mul says, out of character:
"sorry, but yes, that is one thing I mean"
Brazen, Queen of the Damned gives a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer' to the scraggly man.

Azroen asks Brazen, Queen of the Damned, in an unfamiliar tongue.
"zyjo wiqiikqejs?"

The scraggly man says, out of character:
"Lots and lots here. Let's start with the timelinehas it been abandoned? I'm talking about the one on the web page and accessible from the main menu"

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"No, it is not abandoned. I'm currently updating it."
Brazen, Queen of the Damned looks toward the scraggly man.

The scraggly man says, out of character:
"okay, lesse."
don't forget to use ooc, not 'say'

The scraggly man says, out of character:
"this may bore some, but it's gotta go somewhere -the spell system."
Azroen nods.

The scraggly man says, out of character:
"Right now, it seems to work in two ways.
  1. You powergame, and get more powerful quickly, but get a couple tons of imms on your nice PCs head.
  2. You roleplay and cast your nice lil spell whenever you want to actually use it...result:
You don't advance, without help of whatever kind."

The man wearing some tinfoil says, out of character:
"
  1. You powergame - and lose all karma and don't get to play spell casters anymore.
  2. Your roleplay, get to keep your karma, and add to the game.
next?"

The man wearing the yellow kank mask says, out of character:
"is there and Adam Mondchein here?"

Sanvean says, out of character:
"Well, actually, lemme add to that..."

Sanvean says, out of character:
"I think there is a middle ground. On one side you have cast/rest/cast/rest, etc....
On the other, a lotta emoting and no casting."

Sanvean says, out of character:
"I'd suggest that there's been some interesting posts on gdb about this, the surrounding the spellcasting with emotes, talking about magick philosophy... basically rp-ing out the magick.
If it's rp casting, then great and good and fine... if it's cast/rest/cast/ad nauseum, you're gonna get zorched."
Sanvean refrains from telling the story she was told about the guy who was netsexing and powergaming spells simultaenously.

Sanvean says to Azroen, in an unfamiliar tongue.
"G'nuec och eqqergasz, I'b husu."
Azroen nods.

Azroen says, out of character:
"I remember a specific thread on the gdb about spell casting taking too long.
For sorcery, tough shit. Sorc's are supposed to be hard, because later in life, quite simply, they are the shit.
Elementalists I rewrote because of that thread, utilizing a lot of the suggestions on it.
They have more spells to begin with, can actually do something at the onset, and you dont have to practice 7/24 to be able to cast effectively.
So I guess I just dont personally think your argument has much merit. If you want a maxxed out elem/sorc, then yes, you need to practice a lot but if you simply want to be able to cast effectively and effieciently, and are an elem, I already made this so.
For sorcery, it is a completely different set up though. And if you're going out showing the world your'e a sorc before you can defend yoruself, thats your death bed problem"

The scraggly man says, out of character:
"...The other part I wanted to get at was whether or not the OOOLD post on the gdb archives started by Nessalin, I think, about a new magick systemdid it get scrapped?"
Brazen, Queen of the Damned holds her hand out to the scraggly man.

Azroen says, out of character:
"No. It's been tabled"
The foreign player's dictionary entry as explained by Nessalin:
Hmmmm, it has been made a point of discussion. It is something we have put on the table to be looked at, talked about.
As opposed to left on the floor to be ignored, or put in the closet to be forgotten %')
Brazen, Queen of the Damned gives a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer' to the handicapped man.

The handicapped man says, out of character:
"I don't currently have a caster, but these questions have been bugging me for awhile:
I'm curious on people's takes about how exactly casters should learn. It seem that they just "know" the words and such, but that seems unrealistic, I mean, your common person who suddenly learns he has has "the gift" won't ooc know his ass from his elbow about magick, because he's been taught to fear it all his life"

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"How someone does or does not know the symbols to their spells is an in-character consideration that is up to them, and for us to review and decide to allow or rejct."

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"As such, just because you disagree with someone knowing symbols, it might be totally in character, and not for you to poo-poo and complain about."

The handicapped man says, out of character:
"ah"

The handicapped man says, out of character:
"oh, not poo-pooing"

The handicapped man says, out of character:
"was just curious about alternate systems"

The handicapped man says, out of character:
"but second question"

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"I'd leave the explanations and alternate systems to the individuals to come up with, and explain. "

The handicapped man says, out of character:
"and also, in regards to the earlier comment about RP vs. powercasting maybe there could be some little given to players in terms of spell skill if they rp the casting alot, without coded casting. Kind of like"

Azroen says, out of character:
"I usually do."
Azroen shrugs his shoulders.

The handicapped man says, out of character:
"the currentkarma system."

The handicapped man says, out of character:
"ah, okay"

The handicapped man says, out of character:
"thanks"

Azroen says, out of character:
"I've been known to up a persons % or karma because IU see them playing with themself while casting"
The handicapped man nods.

Azroen says to Brazen, Queen of the Damned, in an unfamiliar tongue.
"ij, jypi piqzehcupq"
Brazen, Queen of the woman wearing the polka-dot wyvern mask.

The woman wearing the polka-dot wyvern mask says out of character:
"There was just a brief comment disguised as a question I want to throw in regarding an earlier topic:"

The woman wearing the polka-dot wyvern mask says out of character:
"Why does 'every' (generalizing) caster assume that his character «has» to branch out to every single spell that might be available to him? To me it would make a lot of sense to have people experience limitations, and thus not infer with roleplay."

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"That's a damn good suggestion, Polka woman."
Brazen, Queen of the Damned gives a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer' to the half-elven girl.

Azroen says, out of character:
"Could whomever got the sword please ask their question?"
Brazen, Queen of the Damned pokes the half-elven girl in the ribs.
You hear jeopardy music playing in the background.

The handicapped man says, out of character:
"linkdead?"
Brazen, Queen of the woman wearing a leathery carru-mask.

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"Okee..three things and I'll be brief"

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"one..I understand there is a clear view of 'powergaming'..like a thief or assasin, typing sneak, walk, sneak walk, sneak, hide, and doing all of that. But, what if you are say, playing alone, and you roleplay it out..really roleplay it..should there be a 'time constraint' on roleplaying it? Like if you are learning a language, and roleplaying it, or praciticing things?"

Azroen says, out of character:
"Uhh"

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"The only time constraint is wether or not you're having a good time."

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"So if you meet someone and you don't know their language, and the two of you sit and roleplay out for two hours teaching each other or something...that would be ok?"

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"If the only reason you're doing it is to advance your skills, and you're asking how much RP we require to not label you a powergamer, then you've got it all wrong."

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"If you want to spend 3 hours roleplaying out teaching a language, be my guest."

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"Oh no. but I met this one I was roleplaying with and we had a great time.."
The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask nods.

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"okee..number two,"

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"If you want to role play it out with a single emote or something, have at it."

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"Remember, than 1min in RL is like 20min in the game."
Take note of that all you netsexers.

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"Ah ok..okee, number two...this is more a comment that I feels need addressed..ooc stuff"
Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak rolls over and lights a cigarette.

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"I was once playing with someone who knew they were going to die, and they started oocing things "you're just going to kill me blah blah get it over with'..."
The man wearing the yellow kank mask drops some tinfoil.

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"I've seen alot of people oocing stuff like this..and you don't always know what someone is going to do.."

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"You have a few choices here (and, btw, I agree this is bogus)"

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"First, you can ooc at them that they should please stick to the RP"

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"If they keep it up, wish up about it, one of us can 'talk' to them about it."
The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask nods.

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"Third - if they're so sure, just kill them and remove the problem from the game (kidding)"

The Shade of Nessalin says, out of character:
"I'll add here that I'm never too busy to 'talk' to people that cause problems like this."

Azroen says, out of character:
"last question you had?"
The Shade of Nessalin winks.

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"heh okee :) last thing..kinda an observation I have seen..but maybe something we could work on.."

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"Zalanthas is supposed to be a VERY harsh environment,"

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"I'm working on fixing that."

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"but I would say maybe 75 percent of the populace seems very 'civilized'..while maybe 25 seem really "harsh'.."

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"it would seem to me, that the 'civilized' people in the truest form would be the 25 percent..and 75 percent harsh..slaves, travellers, etc.."

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"people see templars and all of them bow..suddenly take on this really 'sweet civilized' tone..nobles, etc"

The woman wearing a leathery carru-mask says, out of character:
"just seems a bit off to me..we aren't in beverly hills here :)"

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"(that's called ass-kissing)"
Brazen, Queen of the Damned nods to Halaster the Shroud of Death.

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"We're working on making Zalanthas a hash world.."

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"er.. harsh"

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"And, we've done a number of quests and stuff towards that goal, but.."

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"IT's a two-way street, really. The mortals have to act like it's a harsh world too (as you said)"

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"Yeah yeah.. hash world, hahahah, i get it."
Halaster the Shroud of Death rolls his eyes.

Brazen, Queen of the Damned says, out of character:
"Okay...we are starting the lightning round here."

Brazen, Queen of the Damned says, out of character:
"you each have 3 minutes."
Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak gives a small tube of flash powder to Halaster the Shroud of Death.
Brazen, Queen of the Damned gives a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer' to the fat, pig-eyed templar.

The fat, pig-eyed templar says, out of character:
"Just one question.."

The fat, pig-eyed templar says, out of character:
"Nessalin, can I please tie you up and have wild orbital vestric netsex with you?"

Azroen says, out of character:
"next question?"
The Shade of Nessalin slaps the fat, pig-eyed templar, knocking the fat, pig-eyed templar's head off.
You freeze as you hear the fat, pig-eyed templar's death cry.
Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak picks up the head of the fat, pig-eyed templar.
Halaster the Shroud of Death picks up the body of the fat, pig-eyed templar.
Brazen, Queen of the Damned gives a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer' to the dark-eyed dwarf.
The Shade of Nessalin coughs.

The dark-eyed dwarf says, out of character:
"Ok, just a short comment on something I noticed and that we all could work on, with our roleplay, I think"

The dark-eyed dwarf says, out of character:
"since Sanvean mentioned the problem with nobles making people bow at a tavern but only PC's, I like to add that I have seen the same with templars controlling nearly every (elven) PC on Allanaks street. I wonder, why I have yet to see any of the numerous elven NPC's controlled they can pass, while every elven PC gets controlled, usually ;) Just found that odd, and in general, I think, NPC's are too often ignored in roleplay, that's all"

Azroen says, out of character:
"Npc's are wily crittrers, and usually dont respond well to demands"
Naar, the God of Chaos has lost link.
Naar, the God of Chaos has reconnected.

Azroen says, out of character:
"Besdeis, I doubt templars tell every elf they wee to do something or another"

Azroen says, out of character:
"so pc's are the ones they kinda, you know, pick"

Azroen says, out of character:
"out"

Azroen says, out of character:
"It's kinda like when I'm a t a bar,"

Azroen says, out of character:
"I dont hit on every woman that passes by"

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"I do."

Azroen says, out of character:
"Only ones with a beer in their hand going to waste.. you know"
Azroen winks.

The dark-eyed dwarf says, out of character:
"«chuckle» thanks"
Azroen nods.

Brazen, Queen of the Damned says, out of character:
"moving along...."
Azroen nods to Brazen, Queen of the Damned.
Brazen, Queen of the Damned gives a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer' to the blue-eyed man.
15 minutes left, pigfuckers.

The blue-eyed man says, out of character:
"ok, in rebuttal to that, it's also at the whim of said noble and templar of who he might pickon/favor, ya know?"

Azroen says, out of character:
"Indeed/."

Azroen says, out of character:
"just as its the whim of my own who to hit on"

Azroen says, out of character:
"I don't hit ont hat fat chick in the corner who is slobbering down her dress, you know?"

The blue-eyed man says, out of character:
"exactly, you shouldn't be worried about why someone got picked on, just be glad it isn't you. :)"

Azroen says, out of character:
"err.. "

Azroen asks the Shade of Nessalin, in an unfamiliar tongue.
"Is pooq u gejkagie adhyghe?"
The Shade of Nessalin shrugs his shoulders.
Halaster the Shroud of Death nods to the emerald-eyed elf.
Azroen chuckles.
Brazen, Queen of the Damned gives a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer' to the half-elven girl.

The half-elven girl says, out of character:
"ok, this is mainly an overall question concerning Allanak."

The half-elven girl says, out of character:
"I've noticed that it seems there is a lack of resources in the ghands of the people who normally would have them ic. Merchants, nobles, and templars."

Naar, the God of Chaos says, out of character:
"hands"
Halaster the Shroud of Death disintegrates Naar, the God of Chaos.
Naar, the God of Chaos has lost link.

Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak says, out of character:
"Example?"

Azroen says, out of character:
"specifics, please?"

The half-elven girl says, out of character:
"would it be possible in the future to have automatic budgets for these character groups?"

The half-elven girl says, out of character:
"Ok."

The half-elven girl says, out of character:
"well, it's hard to keep this from being ic, so bear with me."
A dark, swirling vortex opens as Naar, the God of Chaos, emerges from its inner reaches.

Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak says, out of character:
"I think I see your point."

The half-elven girl says, out of character:
"examples being nobles who can't necessarily pay their minions. or any clan for that matter."
The Shade of Nessalin exclaims to Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak, in sirihish:
"You can? Terribly sorry!"
The Shade of Nessalin zips up his pants.

Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak says, out of character:
"And no, that's not at all nessecary. Those character types have the means to accomplish what they need to accomplish."

The half-elven girl says, out of character:
"for things like bribing or hiring of individuals, it seems unlikely that they will be able tio use obsidian pieces as a commodity."
Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak shrugs his shoulders.

The half-elven girl says, out of character:
"but since I'm running out of time, I have one last comment."

The half-elven girl says, out of character:
"for those playing nobles, try to keep in ind that when you're dealing with merchants and templars that they are part of the larger picture and to hurt them is to hurt yourself."

Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak says, out of character:
"MAybe they need to hurt them for the money that they supposedly don't have."

Azroen says, out of character:
"Unless you kill them, in which case, it eases the burden"

The half-elven girl says, out of character:
"Especially in the cases of nobles toward merchants. Ahem."

Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak says, out of character:
"Since the 100k 'sid I've given some of them wasn't enough."

The half-elven girl says, out of character:
"I'll table the other questions to some future meeting."
Azroen nods.
Brazen, Queen of the Damned gives a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer' to the slender woman.

The slender woman says, out of character:
"I'm wondering if this would be possible for you to do, and if you want to do it:
  1. Clearer info on what person (imm) is responsible for which clan, alas who to direct questions to if you have them.
  2. More documentation being available for those who create a character in a clan.
Not saying "Please write a zillion new docs", but as I've understood there are docs but I'd like to know how to obtain them."

Azroen says, out of character:
"Umm"

The slender woman says, out of character:
"It would make the RP in the clan more consistant and it would be easier for players trying to create a character that fits well in the clan."

Azroen says, out of character:
"On the first part:"

Azroen says, out of character:
"We reassign imms frequently in an effort to make it so a person doesnt become «too» attached to a particlyar caln so they dont start doing special favors and crap, etc"

Azroen says, out of character:
"so, it's hard for us to keep up on who does what clan"

Azroen says, out of character:
"as to the second..."
Halaster the Shroud of Death beams a smile at the Shade of Nessalin.
5 minutes left, pigfuckers!

Azroen says, out of character:
"heh, as a side note, wondinerg how many havenoticed my decline in typing skills as the meteing goes on"

Azroen says, out of character:
"second,. that is up to the clans to decide"

Azroen says, out of character:
"they make their own docs"
Brazen, Queen of the man wearing a halfgiant librarian mask.

Azroen says, out of character:
"next question"
Brazen, Queen of the man wearing a halfgiant librarian mask for signs of life.

The man wearing a halfgiant librarian mask says, out of character:
"I myself love the combat system and it's truly the best I've seen. But, I think that it maybe could be improved with an addition of a stance command. If anyone is not familliar with a stance command, your usually given up to 3 stances, one offensive one defensive, and one neutral"
A sudden breeze scatters the Shade of Nessalin into a cloud of dust.

The man wearing a halfgiant librarian mask says, out of character:
"I think they speak for themselves as to what they represent but I think it would add to the environment by possibly allowing a change in styles. Like the desert wanderer who know he need to defend against a Mek and focus on that while maybe a HG Would push and charge full forward into a fight and not play any defense. Whew, That worked."
Azroen nods.

Azroen says, out of character:
"As I posted on the gdb a while ago a combat rearite is emminent.. immentn.., fuck, its soon in tis coming. We're hacking it out now among ourselves"
Halaster the Shroud of Death hacks Naar, the God of Chaos to pieces.
The man wearing a halfgiant librarian mask nods to Azroen.
Brazen, Queen of the Damned gives a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer' to the tiny and gaunt hooded figure.
The Shade of Nessalin forms out of a sudden cloud of dust.
"Dink dink!"

Sanvean says, out of character:
"One thing I'd suggest is that people make use of the gdb when they can..."

The tiny and gaunt hooded figure says, out of character:
"Real quick, I think that the side effects of spice are TOO long lasting. Its very rare to see a PC sell spice to another Pc."
Azroen nods.

Azroen says, out of character:
"All in favor in saying bram has never done a drug in his life?"
Brazen, Queen of the Damned nods to the tiny and gaunt hooded figure.
Azroen has forced you to 'wish all Aye!'.

You wish to the Gods:
"Aye!"
Azroen nods.

Zakalwe says, out of character:
"I second that"

Azroen says, out of character:
"Motion carried"

The tiny and gaunt hooded figure says, out of character:
"Remember Bram's suggestion about a Player Advocate? He talked about it in a previous meeting like this. I think its still a good idea. Check it out in the old logs."
Halaster the Shroud of Death faints from all the fucking spam.

Azroen says, out of character:
"advocate?"

The tiny and gaunt hooded figure says, out of character:
"I believe that's what he called it."

Sanvean says, out of character:
"We pretty much done here, before Mike loses consciousness on the keyboard?"

Azroen says, out of character:
"almost, IO got 3 minutes on my clock"
Azroen cackles.
Halaster the Shroud of Death nods to Sanvean.

Azroen says, out of character:
"next q"

Sanvean says to the scraggly man, in an unfamiliar tongue.
"Sguaj"

Brazen, Queen of the Damned says, out of character:
"Hey"
Halaster leaves, killing everything in sight on his way.
A pile of dead bodies falls in from above announcing Halaster's arrival.
Azroen slaps Halaster the Shroud of Death.
Azroen draws his hand back, then bitch-slaps Halaster the Shroud of Death across his face.
Sanvean contributes to the growing chaos. Sorry, BRazen.
Naar, the God of Chaos cheers.
Brazen, Queen of the Damned gives a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer' to the violet-eyed man.
Halaster the Shroud of Death frowns at the emerald-eyed elf.
A sudden breeze scatters the Shade of Nessalin into a cloud of dust.

The violet-eyed man says, out of character:
"I'd like to throw in an idea about limb damage and limb systems"

Brazen, Queen of the Damned says, out of character:
"2 minutes."

The violet-eyed man says, out of character:
"where different limbs of the body of each player now also counts in combat and you can actually damage a limb critically"

The violet-eyed man says, out of character:
"that's all."
The handicapped man coughs.
Brazen, Queen of the Damned gives a steel shortsword named 'Mortal Slayer' to the scraggly man.

The scraggly man says, out of character:
"«had to think» alright, maybe i'm beating something to death,;ooc but I think it's painfully tedious for a caster to have to rely on an imm to branch--otherwise else have the branching system? Just wanted to say that..and everyone w/ masks stinks, too ;)"

The scraggly man says, out of character:
"stoopid zmud."
Halaster the Shroud of Death eyes the scraggly man morbidly.

Azroen says, out of character:
"um"

Azroen says, out of character:
"imms dont branch you"

Azroen says, out of character:
"you branch yourself"

Azroen says, out of character:
"I said earlier I help people I sat that I kinda kilned their roleplanigy"

Azroen says, out of character:
"To the limb system, thats fukced up mna"

Azroen says, out of character:
"And gues swhat time it is mstier clock?"

Blaylock, Scourge of Allanak says, out of character:
"Azroen's drunkenness signals that time is UP."

Halaster the Shroud of Death asks Naar, the God of Chaos, in sirihish:
"Want a kiss, baby?"

Brazen, Queen of the Damned says, out of character:
"Okay..."

Naar, the God of Chaos says to Halaster the Shroud of Death, in sirihish:
"Don't make me slap you."

Azroen says, out of character:
"noptrh is Allanak"

Brazen, Queen of the Damned says, out of character:
"wish to an imm where you need to go back in the world."

SYSTEM: please rem/jkunk your maskss

Halaster the Shroud of Death says, out of character:
"NORTH is Allanak."
Like water through your fingers, Sanvean slips away and is gone.

SYSTEM: or nessalin will visit you later and talk to you about the merits of removing /junking your masks after the meeting


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